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New Olympic Gymnastics Scoring and Judging: Discussion

Posted on 16 August 2008 by admin

During the Olympic Team Finals and All-Around Finals, gymnastics fans from all over the world have been burning up keyboards discussing the new scoring rules and how the judges have applied them.  To most concerned, another tweaking of the system seems imminent.

Originally, the change was meant to improve judging by separating the difficulty of the chosen routine from the gymnast’s execution of it.  Theoretically, this would make scoring more transparent for all, as previously the old perfect 10 scoring was "an impenetrable combination of pluses and minuses arrived at only after Talmudic contemplation of the FIG’s Code of Points ." The new scoring doesn’t have an artificial hard upper limit, like the 10 system.  It is meant to allow for elements and accomplishments that have not been thought up yet, more like other Olympic sports scores (race times, game points, pounds lifted) and less like an SAT score (with a finite potential of 100%).

The huge flaws in the new system have begun to grate experts watching them on the world’s stage.  Athletes and their coaches crunch the numbers and may decide not to go for the new and the surprising, which is a shame for the audience.  Some of the top elite gymnasts at the Olympics clearly chose common yet difficult skills over unusual, unrated ones, defeating one of the original purposes of the new system:  to encourage the new.

Case in point:  Sasha Artemev arguably has the most difficult pommel horse routine in the world.  Or does he?  Gymnasts are rewarded with higher difficulty by performing Russians in their pommel horse routines.  Artemev, on the other hand, is (according to the code of points) performing easier skills with his inverted flairs and spindles.  To the average fan, which looks better?  These fans see many gymnasts performing traveling Russians and circles.  Granted, Yang Wei and Xiao Qin execute amazing circles, with body and legs high above the pommels, but to the non-gymnastics audience the incredible difficulty is not apparent, and the repetition of these moves, routine after routine, can be boring to watch.

To put this into perspective, we’re seeing a lack of innovation, say, as above, on pommel horse, because of the reward system in the new scoring system.  Why is Artemev being penalized for doing something that nobody else in the world can do?  While the other side of the new scoring was meant to help athletes win with staid routines performed perfectly, the audience cries for some reward for the unusual, when also performed expertly.

However, when taken to an extreme, rewarding new and sometimes ever-increasingly difficult skills might push these athletes to the point of automatic injury and falls.  Some of this is inherent in any sport.  The top elites always risk injury.  Yet those of us who love the sport do not want the direction to go toward extreme risk.  How do we temper the desire for novelty and indeed, a little danger, without becoming one of the X-Games sports?

Another facet of this discussion centers on the artistry of gymnastics.  Look at the way her lower start values have penalized Nastia Liukin.  It seems like artistry and execution are taking a back seat to how much difficulty a gymnast can pack into their routines.  Thankfully, Liukin executed so well that she received the much-deserved gold medal in the All-Around.  The Men’s All-Around was almost comical.  There was one fall after another.   Is that good for the sport?  Is it better for our gymnasts to push the envelope for more difficulty, or is execution and artistry more important?  After all, our sport is called "Artistic Gymnastics."

And artistry is not limited to the graceful dance moves on the women’s gymnastics routines.  Men’s gymnastics can incorporate movement smooth enough to be called beautiful.  A Guzchogy element in a rings routine can look like a flowing waterfall, though some of the Chinese gymnasts’ efforts were so precise that the spirit seemed clipped out of the move.  Calculation plays a part in determining the elements in the routines, to be sure, but should there not be some benefit to an execution that makes the intensely difficult seem easy and flowing?

Artistry is almost impossible to judge, yet without it we could end up with grunting men transitioning leadenly from skill element to skill element.  Cirque de Soleil uses ticket profits as their judging table, and eye-pleasing routines are still winning gold in that sphere.

We have thousands of readers at StickItMedia, and plenty of you have intense opinions on this subject.  There are people who like the new system and there are people who hate it.  Both sides have legitimate concerns.  Do you want the envelope pushed, always rewarding the new and the difficult?  Are there any checks and balances needed to keep our gymnasts healthy, and to discourage falls?  Are gymnasts being pushed to the limit, setting themselves up for injury?

Do you enjoy the fact that a great gymnast with an average routine can be rewarded for his perfect execution?  How do you feel about the artistry of the executions?  Should a flowing routine be worth more than a robotic one?  Why are some gymnasts with lower start values but brilliant execution still not receiving higher scores that place value on a flawless routine?

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5 Comments For This Post

  1. TCO Says:

    The new code is an improvement over the old. What I would add would be having the judges actually cite how they scored the routine. I would assume that in training, they actually look at what deductions were taken. Also, if they are following the CoP, it should be no problem. This will benefit the sport by showing what really gets judged. Will also drive more honesty/accountability to combat some score-fixing (probably still going on) as well as just laziness.

  2. TCO Says:

    In terms of difficulty, I think we have a fair balence. To be honest, very tough tricks and high difficulty is being done. Most of the big advances in tricks came as a result of new equipment or rules and happened very rapidly into the 1980s. Some additional advances are occuring because of improved training methods, but these are more incremental. Without major changes in equipment (or doping), we are unlikely to see radical changes in the sport. That just means that elements that are new should be cherished all the more. And elements that are very rare but not new (full-twisting triple off of HB for instance) should also be cherished when they actually occur.

    I don’t know about Sasha’s flairs and the difficulty issue. REally what is stunning about them is the extension. Unless we go back to having virtuoisity, we can’t reward that. However, we can revise the Russian to flare difficulty differential. Can also gig the Russians more for their sort of hollow-body (vice extended) look. Of course there are many other areas where difficulty marks can be tweaked (bounding on FX for instance), releases on HB, etc. This is natural and should not upset us to much. I think the one that is really crying for change is the CV bonuses on girl’s UB. If I were king, would only award CV for release to release connections or to releases and dismounts out of unusual grip (single arm, eagle grip, etc.) There is too much code whoring on that event now…and it’s not even in a way that is appealing to viewers.

  3. admin Says:

    TCO, you bring up some great points. Something definitely needs to be done on pommel, and as you say on FX and HB. Might even add some tweaks on rings, as many of the routines appeared robotic. As for the girls, the biggest code whoring complaints we’ve been reading about are on UB and BB. Bottom line, an overall tweaking of the scoring system is in store. The first go-around of the new system didn’t go as hoped.

  4. TCO Says:

    Someone else on the net suggested having the gymanasts do 3 second holds on rings, with deductions for 2-3 and for 2 seconds and non-recognition for less than 2. As it is now, a lot of gymnasts are getting away with doing less than 1.0 seconds (from stop of movement to start of movement). They are essentially just presenting the skill for a split second of muscle contraction. Instead of trying to get the judges to hold stop watches or hectoring them to follow the written rule, let’s just change the rule to make it harder. This will clearly separate men from boys. Will make the few who can really do these moves more special. I think it will even be more appealing for casual viewers as it gives them a little time to ooh and ahh at the strength hold.

  5. Winslow Says:

    I think the new systom is sort of dificult to learn, but I would like to learn about it some more because I would like to be a judge some day or an anouncer on T.V. for the sport.

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